Vemma Forex Trading

Glen Jensen lancia Uprize Un Forex MLM Glen Jensen, ex CEO e fondatore Agel, vedi la nostra intervista. lancia Uprize, una società di MLM basata sul Forex. La sede centrale sarà in Utah 8211 Stati Uniti d'America (9890 South 300 West, Sandy, UT 84070) Glen Jensen: quotUprize non è solo una società, un programma, o di un prodotto ndash è un movimento. Persone in tutto il mondo si stanno rendendo conto che non può più fidarsi del loro futuro finanziario ai banchieri, broker e il eliterdquo ldquoeconomic. E 'il momento di unirsi al movimento e prendere la responsabilità della vostra freedomquot finanziaria quotWe39ve trasformato il valore direct marketing proposition sulla sua testa. Mentre la maggior parte società di marketing diretto e spo i loro prezzi per coprire il loro piano di commissione a più livelli, Uprize ha fatto esattamente il contrario. I nostri accordi esclusivi con i fornitori chiave ci permettono di offrire un feed completo istituzionali dati, il sistema Intellitrader Uprize, e la formazione professionale ad una frazione del costo dei prodotti comparabili, la creazione di un valore per la nostra irrisistable members. quot quotUprize ha progettato un piano di compensazione aggressivo che lo rende facile per i principianti per fare reddito signicant, mentre allo stesso tempo fornire enormi ricompense per leader. quot per diventare un affiliato Uprize e partecipare al programma di affiliazione Rewards (un piano di compensazione Uni-Level) è necessario pagare una quota annuale di affiliazione di 49,99. I pacchetti di formazione per il programma di affiliazione Le ricompense sono 199, 499 e 1.499 e richiede un abbonamento mensile di 39,99. Uprize Gestione Team5 Stella Segnali Review: Reclutamento e 3 ° forex partito Come per le 5 Stelle Segnali Termini e condizioni: giurisdizione e sede di tutte le questioni non soggette ad arbitrato deve risiedere nella Repubblica d'Irlanda. A capo segnali a 5 stelle è il CEO Mariska van de Langenberg. Come da van de Segnali Langenberg8217s 5 Stelle bio aziendale, che ha più di 25 anni nella gestione aziendale internazionale e oltre 5 anni nel network marketing. Global One inizialmente lanciato nel 2012 come Ultimate Power profitti e ha cercato di capitalizzare il Zeek Rewards asta centesimo Ponzi mania in quel momento. Dopo il busto SEC di Zeek Rewards nel mese di agosto 2012, Global One abbandonato l'intenzione di lanciare la loro asta centesimo Ponzi. La società zoppicando come opportunità di reclutamento dritto per un altro anno o giù di lì, prima di crollare del tutto a metà del 2013. Van de Langenberg bloccato con la compagnia finché non lasciò per Bonofa nel maggio 2013. affiliati Bonofa pagano una tassa di aderire e quindi guadagnare commissioni con l'assunzione di altri affiliati che fanno lo stesso. La società ha anche eseguito un non registrato schema punti titoli, che è stato presumibilmente collegato a un'offerta IPO. Andando dalle loro statistiche di Alexa, Bonofa sembra essere crollato alla fine dello scorso anno. Van de Langenberg sembra essere uscito da Bonofa andato in declino, con segnali 5 Stelle lancio a metà del 2014. Secondo il profilo van de Langenberg8217s Facebook, si è basata di Amsterdam nei Paesi Bassi. Questo suggerisce che i segnali a 5 stelle è stato registrato in Irlanda solo di nome. Continua a leggere per una revisione completa del 5 Stella opportunità di business Segnali di MLM. I segnali 5 Star Line Segnali Prodotto 5 stelle dispone di prodotti o servizi retailable, con gli affiliati solo in grado di commercializzare 5 Stelle appartenenza Segnali affiliato stesso. I segnali 5 Stelle piano di compensazione Il 5 stelle piano di segnali di compensazione vede affiliati pagano una tassa e poi pagati per reclutare altri che fanno lo stesso. commissioni residue sono dovute se collegate investano i fondi con i broker di terze parti Segnali 5 Stelle hanno firmato per come affiliati stessi. La commissione residua provvigioni residue nei segnali 5 Stelle sono erogati attraverso una struttura di compensazione 1.021.510 a matrice. Una matrice 1021510 pone affiliato nella parte superiore della matrice, con dieci posizioni direttamente sotto di loro. Questi dieci posizioni formano il primo livello della matrice, con il secondo livello della matrice generato suddividendo ciascuna delle dieci posizioni di primo livello in altri dieci posizioni ciascuno (100 posizioni). In questo modo ogni successivo livello della matrice viene generato, per un totale di 11,1 miliardi posizioni. Dato questo è più che la popolazione della Terra, Segnali 5 Stelle facilmente rivelare Renditi illusioni, non si sarà mai in grado di riempire quella matrice. Ciò richiederebbe 10 miliardi di persone sul 10 ° piano e che non accadrà mai. Perché allora 5 Stelle segnali stanno utilizzando una struttura a matrice sanno affiliati non possono riempire non è chiaro. In ogni caso, le commissioni vengono pagate in percentuale della retribuzione commissioni di affiliazione quando si iscrivono come segue: Livello 1 8211 12 Livello 2 8211 34 Livello 3 8211 8 livello 4 8211 6 Livello 5 8211 4 livelli 6 e 7 8211 2 livello 8 8211 3 livello 9 8211 4 livello 10 8211 5 si noti che come affiliati pagano canone mensile, i versamenti della commissione di cui sopra sono anche mensile ricorrente. Se le commissioni di intermediazione 5 Stelle segnali di commercio, la società addebita loro una commissione broker. 60 di tale commissione è pagato come le commissioni su due livelli di assunzione (unilevel). 40 è pagato sulle commissioni generati dall'attività di negoziazione affiliate8217s personalmente reclutato, e 20 da loro reclute (il vostro livello 2). Le commissioni di trading automatico utilizzando la stessa struttura di compensazione unilevel come quello usato in commissioni di intermediazione, 5 Stelle segnali affiliati possono anche guadagnare commissioni di terzo livello delle retribuzioni di trading automatico. fondi investiti da parte di affiliati 3 ° livello è superiore a 250.000 3 commissione su di terzo livello automatizzato degli utili di negoziazione fondi investiti dagli affiliati 3 ° livello è superiore a 500.000 5 Commissione sul terzo livello automatizzato degli utili di negoziazione fondi investiti dagli affiliati 3 ° livello è superiore a 1.000.000 7 commissione su terzo a livello di guadagni di trading automatico Personal globale Piscina Il Personal globale Pool è composto da 1 dell'intero fondi versati in segnali 5 stelle dagli affiliati. La piscina viene pagato trimestrale, con gli affiliati in grado di qualificarsi per le azioni in piscina accumulando punti: reclutare un rame di affiliazione 1 punto reclutare un affiliato di bronzo 2 punti reclutare un affiliato Argento 5 punti reclutare un affiliato Oro 10 punti per ogni 100 punti di affiliato genera, si sono aggiudicati una azione della Personal globale Pool. Globale della Squadra Pool Il team globale Pool è fatto anche di 1 di tutti i fondi versati in segnali 5 Stelle dagli affiliati. Il team globale piscina è anche pagato trimestrale, con azioni assegnate in base ai sforzi di reclutamento di un downline affiliate8217s: affiliato rame reclutati 0,5 punti di affiliazione bronzo reclutato 1 punto di affiliazione Argento reclutato 3 punti di affiliazione Oro reclutato 5 punti Anche in questo caso, per ogni 100 punti accumulati uno parti è allocato nel team globale Pool. Partecipare 5 Stelle appartenenza Segnali di affiliazione con segnali 5 stelle si trova a 10 più uno dei seguenti modi: Rame 8211 7 un mese di bronzo (non-MLM) 8211 27 un mese d'argento 8211 197 un mese d'oro 8211 497 al mese Tutti i 5 segnali Stelle affiliati sono anche pagano 20 ogni anno. Conclusione Trading Forex, attivamente o passivamente, ora disponibile per le masse Il problema con qualsiasi cosa passiva in MLM è che esso costituisce in genere l'offerta di un titolo. aziende MLM don8217t si registrano con le opportune regolamentazione dei valori mobiliari (la SEC negli Stati Uniti per esempio), e quindi si impegnano nella offerta di titoli non registrati. Segnali 5 Stelle sembrano essere colpevole di questo, come mi è stato in grado di trovare alcuna indicazione che si sono registrati presso la SEC o qualsiasi altro regolatore di sicurezze per quella materia. Abbattere l'offerta di titoli, Segnali 5 Stelle sollecitano investimenti minimi di 500 in broker di terze parti: Strategia 5 stelle con No moltiplicatore 8211 deposito minimo di 1.000, depositi supplementari possibili e che mirano per ca. 3 guadagni su mese per ogni media. Strategia 5 stelle con x3 moltiplicatore 8211 deposito minimo di 500, i depositi supplementari possibili e puntando per 9-10 guadagni in media al mese. Strategia 5 stelle con X5 moltiplicatore 8211 deposito minimo di 1.000, depositi ulteriori possibili e puntando per 15 guadagni in media al mese. broker di terze parti o no, that8217s Che pubblicizzato sul sito web Segnali di 5 stelle. E il ROI 8220aims8221 sulla stella sito 5 segnali sembrano essere pseudo-conformità baloney, con Van de Langenberg pubblicità apertamente ROI garantiti su Facebook (27 ago 2015): Ora che cosa se questo può change8230.where 100 dei membri può fare i soldi con soldi che fanno prodotti Forex (senza nemmeno dover imparare Forex al fine di scambiare) 8230.so è preso il fallimento di equasion (sic), fresco isn8217t per il resto della stella piano di 5 segnali di compensazione rispecchia ciò che Mariska van de Langenberg stava partecipando sia in Global One e Bonofa, che essendo catena di reclutamento. Ti iscrivi, paga una tassa e poi vieni pagato per reclutare altre persone che fanno lo stesso. Questo da solo costituisce uno schema a piramide, con l'offerta di titoli non registrati un rispetto bandiera rossa aggiuntivo. problemi di frode Ponzi sorgono anche sulla considerazione di come i pubblicizzati da 3 a 15 8220aimed8221 ROI al mese vengono generati. Sulla carta it8217s presumibilmente attraverso forex, ma se i fondi di nuova investiti sono solo di essere mescolate in giro per pagare gli investitori esistenti, quindi tutto we8217re guardando qui è una piramide ibrido Ponzi. E dato van storia de Langenberg8217s MLM, che wouldn8217t a tutti mi sorprende. Secondo un post di Facebook da van de Langenberg datata 30 settembre 2015: ho promosso le opportunità che giravano per truffa in passato e sono stati anche un topleader in uno schema piramidale a base di prodotti che va ancora in giro. E 'così facile puntare il dito e giocare il gioco di colpa a un leader, ad un livello superiore. BUT82308230no quello che si è costretti a firmare, tutti voi siete stati in grado di fare il proprio dovuta diligenza, per fare un controllo di integrità su un business plan. Ti sei iscritto e ti sei iscritto volontariamente per ragioni che solo tu conosci. Prendere che responsabilità (sic) se stessi e ammettere che hai fatto un pessimo lavoro o forse anche senza lavoro a tutti nella ricerca di un OPP e proprietari prima di entrare. Tu sei molto da biasimare e con 5 stelle Segnali la cultura della frode vittima-incolpare probabilmente continuerà. Nella migliore delle ipotesi you8217re guardando uno schema a piramide attaccato al broker di terze parti discutibili. Nella peggiore delle ipotesi, uno schema a piramide attaccato alla conclamata frodi Ponzi. Approccio con estrema cautela. Non sono sicuro di come citare l'articolo ma i problemi di frode Ponzi anche sorgere sulla considerazione di come i pubblicizzati da 3 a 15 ROI volte al mese vengono generati. Sulla carta la sua presumibilmente attraverso forex, ma se i fondi di nuova investiti sono solo di essere mescolate in giro per pagare gli investitori esistenti, allora tutti stavano guardando qui è una piramide ibrido Ponzi. Io presumo non avete mai guardato in PAMM gestione del denaro, l'idea sarebbe un Ponzi è un equivoco piuttosto comune da parte di persone al di fuori del Forex. Si prega di leggere questo e poi fatemi sapere se you8217d come ulteriore spiegazione. I fondi dei clienti sono sempre tenuti sotto il proprio nome nel intermediari autorizzati e permettono loro di essere collegati con un account master. Gli obiettivi 8220aimed8221 per sono medie aritmetiche (forniamo anche le medie geometriche che è ciò che gli investitori tendono a guardare, ma le persone con meno esperienza hanno difficoltà a capire la media geometrica) sulla base di risultati precedenti. Siamo in procinto di lanciare una nuova partnership di intermediazione con un broker che è stato eliminato dalla gestione dei fondi pensione da ASIC (se si pensa che questo sia discutibile o non è soggettiva, ma ASIC sono ampiamente considerato come uno dei regolatori più difficili da ottenere un passare dal e si vede il broker passato un po 'di due diligence). Ecco alcuni dei conti di trading in tempo reale dove si possono vedere ogni commercio fatto 8211 ogni singola statistica è dato. Questi sono terzi pubblicato i risultati di negoziazione reale. (Se non sai cosa Myfxbook e FX Blu sono, Google li) Si tratta di due conti che la strategia era in esecuzione prima che fosse offerto per la gestione del denaro. Qui ci sono le versioni più aggressive in esecuzione su investitori di denaro (Finora su tutto it8217s portafoglio 5SS è tornato intorno a 160 e ogni singolo commercio che componevano quel ritorno può essere visto qui, così come ogni commercio in futuro). Fatemi sapere se una volta che avete studiato queste cose si accetta è impossibile per questo di essere un Ponzi (dal 5SS mai in qualsiasi punto prende un solo dollaro di investitori di denaro). Una volta che abbiamo stabilito tutti capiscono il modello utilizzato per la gestione di denaro in FX, allora possiamo passare a discutere il business globale. (Si prega di notare, questi collegamenti possono essere contrassegnate in modo da poter controllare i risultati ogni pochi mesi 8211 che verranno sempre pubblicati pubblicamente): I link di cui sopra coprono tutti i fondi investiti nelle PAMMs dettaglio 5SS. Essi rappresentano per ogni dollaro di investimento. 1. Accettate fondi da parte degli investitori americani 2. Siete quindi registrato presso la SEC 3. In caso negativo, perché non 4. Che cosa circa la componente a catena reclutamento schema piramidale del business 1,2 3 e sono tutti coperti da noi non accettando gli investimenti direttamente da nessuno. Sarebbe illegale e sarebbe anche inutili mal di testa quando si tratta di noi dover salvaguardare i fondi. We8217d necessario impostare i nostri conti bancari segregati a detenere fondi dei clienti e così via. Tutta l'infrastruttura è già in atto e PAMM è utilizzato per gestire i miliardi nei mercati FX. 4 8211 mi pare di capire uno schema a piramide, e per favore mi corregga se sbaglio, io non sono un ragazzo Forex un ragazzo MLM, il sistema collassa sotto il proprio peso dal momento che se non si mettono in persone nuove che non sono in grado di essere pagato. Questo non è un requisito per PAMM, le persone possono unirsi e investire e fare soldi, hanno fatto they8217d 20-30 nell'ultimo quarto (si vedano i risultati commerciali verificate per la prova di questo) Mi pare di capire uno schema a piramide Quello che si capisce una piramide schema di essere è irrilevante. 5 Stelle Segnali affiliati pagano una tassa e sono quindi pagati per reclutare altri che fanno lo stesso. Si tratta di catena di reclutamento e si qualifica come uno schema a piramide. All'interno di quel contesto specifico, PAMM non è né qui né là. E sì, si può solo andare al sito web di broker e aprire una PAMM con uno dei molti manager PAMM. Per essere collegati con i commercianti abbiamo messo a disposizione hai bisogno di un abbonamento con noi. L'apertura di un PAMM è facile, però, 1.000 s di gente farlo ogni giorno. E sì, si può solo andare al sito web di broker e aprire una PAMM No, se si desidera partecipare alla 5 Stelle Segnali MLM opportunità. la partecipazione della filiale richiede l'investimento attraverso i link forniti da segnali a 5 stelle. I segnali 5 Star sono sollecitare in tal modo gli investimenti da loro affiliati. Così I8217ll chiedere di nuovo, accettate i fondi degli Stati Uniti Se è così, Sei registrato presso la SEC Se no, perché non ho couldn8217t importa meno su PAMM in generale, questo è all'interno del contesto specifico di ciò che viene offerto attraverso 5 opportunità di business Stella Signals8217 MLM . Oz. No, se si desidera partecipare alla 5 Stelle Segnali MLM opportunità. la partecipazione della filiale richiede l'investimento attraverso i link forniti da segnali a 5 stelle. I segnali 5 Star sono sollecitare in tal modo gli investimenti da loro affiliati. Possiamo definire 8220investment8221 qui per favore L'acquisto di un abbonamento non è un investimento. I rendimenti non sono pagati su appartenenze. Possiamo definire gli investimenti qui il Segnali 5 Stelle fare un'offerta che, se i fondi vengono investiti attraverso la società ROI mensile fino a 15 sono pubblicizzati. Devo investire tramite un account creato tramite segnali a 5 stelle, ergo l'azienda sta sollecitando investimenti sulla aspettativa di pubblicizzato ROI. Ciò costituisce un'offerta di titoli, che negli Stati Uniti richiede la registrazione SEC. La Star tasse 5 segnali di affiliazione sono parte dello schema a piramide catena di reclutamento, nessuno ha detto che sono stati investiti fondi. Oz. Segnali 5 Stelle fare un'offerta che, se i fondi vengono investiti attraverso la società ROI mensile fino a 15 sono pubblicizzati. Devo investire tramite un account creato tramite segnali a 5 stelle, ergo l'azienda sta sollecitando investimenti sulla aspettativa di pubblicizzato ROI. Ciò costituisce un'offerta di titoli, che negli Stati Uniti richiede la registrazione SEC. La Star tasse 5 segnali di affiliazione sono parte dello schema a piramide catena di reclutamento, nessuno ha detto che sono stati investiti fondi. No, si apre il proprio conto di intermediazione, creato attraverso di voi. E 'il vostro account e tenuto sotto il vostro nome. Quindi si ha la possibilità di collegare con il nostro account principale per cui i commerci che facciamo sono anche assegnato al tuo account investitori. In nessun punto nel tempo non 5SS mai avuto accesso ai fondi dei clienti o prendere investimento da loro. No, si apre il proprio conto di intermediazione, creato attraverso di voi. Non si don8217t. Come per la Segnali 5 Stelle FAQ: Posso solo andare sul sito broker per aprire un conto PAMM No. Per richiedere un account PAMM su 5 Stelle gestione segnali denaro, è necessario utilizzare il link disponibile solo per i nostri membri. L'applicazione direttamente su un sito web broker otterrà un account PAMM che non può essere collegata alla strategia di 5 stella. Se si desidera partecipare alla 5 Stelle opportunità Segnali MLM, è necessario passare attraverso i segnali a 5 stelle. Così 5 segnali Star sono sollecitare investimenti da loro affiliati. Queste sollecitazioni sono realizzati con la promessa di ROI mensili previsti, costituendo un'offerta di titoli. Dove si Stash l 'denaro è irrilevante, con segnali 5 Stelle chiaramente il partito sollecitazione dell'investimento. E dato il we8217re ballo facendo, I8217ll basta andare avanti e lo chiamano: Segnali 5 Stelle non sono registrati presso la SEC e sono quindi impegnati nell'offerta di titoli non registrati. Sul lato si ha anche uno schema a piramide catena di reclutamento. Grazie per il tuo tempo. Lascerò qualcun altro per discutere di questo dato che stiamo solo per andare in giro in tondo. Il mio scopo principale era quello di identificare chiaramente e senza ombra di dubbio che non è uno schema Ponzi e che tutti i risultati commerciali possono essere monitorati e verificati. Un ultimo punto vale la pena fare se si ha citato le appartenenze come rame 7 (non-MLM) Bronzo 27 Argento 197 Oro 497 Questo è in realtà di rame 7 (non-MLM) Bronzo 27 Argento 197 (non-MLM) Oro 497 (non-MLM) solo i membri di bronzo ha alcun beneficio agli affiliati. Le altre appartenenze stanno vendendo prodotti e servizi puramente di vendita al dettaglio. Quando citiamo nostri ritorni potenziali facciamo sempre così insieme ai prelievi storici, così la gente sa quello che stanno entrando. Dal momento che non hai mai alluso rischi nel trading Dovrei aggiungere che. Sulla nostra attuale strategia offriamo moltiplicatori che hanno le seguenti statistiche normali. 5.2 drawdown massimo, aumento di due anni del 97. 3 moltiplicatore. 25 drawdown massimo, guadagno 2 anno di 250. 5 moltiplicatore. 37 drawdown massimo, aumento di due anni del 650. 7 moltiplicatore. 50 drawdown massimo, guadagno 2 anno di 1.440 Argento 197 (non-MLM) Oro 497 (non-MLM) Quindi, Silver e Gold membri non guadagnare commissioni in nessun caso I8217ll aggiornare la revisione se that8217s il caso, ma in primo luogo si può spiegare il motivo per cui gli stati 5 stelle piano segnali di compensazione (rispetto al commissons matrice): le sostituzioni Commissione pagano lo stesso, indipendentemente se sei un bronzo, argento o oro per qualificarsi è necessario essere un partner di affiliazione ad un livello di partecipazione del bronzo o superiore. Che suona certamente come Silver e Gold affiliati guadagnare commissioni per me. Quando citiamo nostri ritorni potenziali facciamo sempre così insieme ai prelievi storici, così la gente sa quello che stanno entrando. Il fatto stesso che i rendimenti potenziali sono pubblicizzati costituisce un'offerta di titoli (ROI sono passivi, tutto un affiliato non è investimento di fondi). That8217s uno dei problemi qui, considerando i segnali 5 Stelle non sono registrati presso la SEC (o qualsiasi altro regolatore di sicurezze per questo). Oz. Così i membri Silver e Gold non guadagnano commissioni in nessun caso aggiornamento Ill del riesame, se questo è il caso, ma in primo luogo si può spiegare perché i 5 Stelle piano Segnali di compensazione stati (rispetto al commissons matrice): Se si potesse gentilmente aggiornare l'opinione a aggiungere i rischi drawdown ei collegamenti degli scambi strategie risultati verificati e sostituire questo per i riferimenti di Ponzi o di trading forex presumibilmente che renderebbe le cose migliori. Alludendo alla Ponzi schemi Quando forniamo verificato Myfxbook collega vari luoghi mina la tua opinione a essere compagno onesto. Se si potesse gentilmente aggiornare il riesame di aggiungere i rischi drawdown ei collegamenti degli scambi strategie risultati verificati e sostituire questo per i riferimenti di Ponzi o di trading forex presumibilmente che renderebbe le cose migliori. Alludendo alla Ponzi schemi Quando forniamo verificato Myfxbook collega vari luoghi mina la tua opinione a essere compagno onesto. Credo che ho sollevato legittime preoccupazioni. Who8217s dire queste 15 al mese commercianti ROI aren8217t mischiare fondi di nuova investiti per pagare gli investitori esistenti Tu stesso certamente non può garantire tanto. Né segnali possono 5 Stelle dal suono delle cose. E così quello che, stavi mentendo su Silver e gli affiliati oro non guadagnare commissioni tra questo e il sistema a piramide, non there8217s un sacco di essere fiduciosi circa qui. Oz. Credo che ho sollevato legittime preoccupazioni. Whos dire queste 15 al mese commercianti ROI arent mischiare fondi di nuova investiti per pagare gli investitori esistenti. Tu stesso certamente non può garantire tanto. Né segnali possono 5 Stelle dal suono delle cose. Sono d'accordo le vostre preoccupazioni sono del tutto legittima e qualcosa discuto con le persone spesso. Da allora, però, ho fornito un link al modello di PAMM e link per verificare i risultati del terzo commerciali festa tutta da siti di autorità 5SS non ha nulla a che fare con. Semplice due diligence da qui risulta assolutamente impossibile per noi per la riproduzione casuale dei clienti fondi su 8211 non possiamo mai accedere a un solo dollaro. Si è sempre tenuto sotto il nome client8217s. 5SS non prende mai i clienti fondi di investimento. Si prega di guardare in questo modello in modo che possiamo chiarire questo malinteso e passare ad altri punti. Se questo è un ponzi è oggettiva. Da allora, però, ho fornito un link al modello di PAMM e link per verificare i risultati del terzo commerciali festa tutta da siti di autorità 5SS non ha nulla a che fare con. Segnali 5 Stelle Tu e potrebbe essere disposto a mettere in gioco la vostra credibilità su pretese di terzi, I8217m non. Se i segnali 5 Stelle personalmente verificati i presunti traffici stessi, o meglio ancora li hanno condotto 8211 I8217d essere disposti a tenere l'azienda in parola. I terzi, tuttavia, che non hanno nulla a che fare con l'opportunità di MLM Non è un caso. Se questo è un ponzi è oggettiva. You8217re l'unico che continua a portare in su. I8217ve identificati titoli non registrati e piramide preoccupazioni schema, entrambi i quali rimangono senza indirizzo. Quindi tutto quello che chiedo è che si aggiorna il riesame per essere precisi. Dicendo 5SS utilizzare un modello PAMM e qui sono i collegamenti ai risultati verificati. Quindi tutto quello che chiedo è che si aggiorna il riesame per essere precisi. Dicendo 5SS utilizzare un modello PAMM e qui sono i collegamenti ai risultati verificati. La revisione è accurato. risultati PAMM può essere eluso, e I8217m non circa di rivendicare altrimenti dato segnali 5 Stelle te stesso né può verificare questo non sta accadendo. Questa è una delle cadute di fare affidamento su terze parti all'interno di una opportunità di MLM. E quando 15 ROI al mese vengono propagandati 8211 ad ignorare i potenziali problemi di Ponzi, o addirittura non riconoscere loro è irresponsabile. Qualcuno di questi mediatori di terze parti registrati presso la SEC (min 12 mesi) Oz, si prega di guardare in alto Myfxbook e vedere che cosa è il compagno. Capisco you8217re usato per trattare con fodere e non può capire le misure adottate dalla Myfxbook per verificare un conto trading, né sarete consapevoli di come ampiamente utilizzati sono, un nome di famiglia o di genere tra le persone del settore. Stai chiedendo 5SS per verificare i risultati stessi, questo è esattamente ciò che fa Myfxbook, fornisce i risultati in una forma che non può essere manipolato. Vedi qui 8211 myfxbookhelphelp34 I8217m non è interessato a Myfxbook (un altro 3a parte). Segnali 5 Stelle non possono garantire le terze parti che si occupano di non utilizzare i fondi di recente investito per pagare gli investitori esistenti, per la somma di 15 pubblicizzati ROI ogni mese. Sono uno dei broker di terze parti Segnali 5 Stelle Utente registrato presso la SEC (min 12 mesi) (Ozedit: Stop collegamento di dumping da parte di terzi che verificano terzi isn8217t convincere nessuno e io lo prendo nessuno è stato registrato presso la SEC di sangue... inferno nel contesto di una opportunità di MLM, che il rispetto incubo questo è tutto.) di porre la questione di verifica di terze parti nel contesto. You8217ve ottenuto investimenti in dumping su una terza parte, che sostengono di essere legittimo, con l'unica prova in quanto tale, essendo ancora un altro terzo. Che sostengono così sulla base delle informazioni fornite loro dal primo gruppo di terze feste. E, naturalmente, nonostante offerte di titoli stati fatti sinistra, destra e centro 8211 nessuno è registrato presso la SEC. Ma uh, sì, assolutamente alcuna possibilità di 15 al mese ROI Ponzi imbrogli succedendo qui. Riiiiiiiiiiight. E ho detto there8217s schema piramidale catena-reclutamento succedendo troppo Niente oz Suss: l'appartenenza di affiliazione con segnali 5 stelle si trova a 10 più uno dei seguenti modi: Rame 7 (non-MLM) Bronzo 27 Argento 197 Oro 497 questi sono i pagamenti mensili. così, i segnali a 5 stelle è altro che uno schema piramidale che vende le appartenenze, con qualche prodotto di terze parti non correlate. questo non è diverso da tutti quelli 8216travel MLMs8217 e 8216binary MLMs8217 opzioni commerciali che vendono le appartenenze eo 8216education8217 tag per un prodotto di terzi. affiliati a segnali a 5 stelle possono continuare a pagare nella loro 8216personal qualifying8217 spedizione automatica ogni mese, e continuo a ricevere commissioni in un sistema di reclutamento a catena. forex trading può non esistere per tutto ciò che interessa strano che il CEO Langenberg ha menzionato 8216vemma8217 nel suo ebook circa il rispetto di MLM, perché lei sta impiegando lo stesso sistema di spedizione automatica di auto qualifica come Vemma e quindi propone che 5SS è 8216compliant8217. e ciao craig, quello di vendita al dettaglio in cui è il margine di vendita al dettaglio per la vendita al dettaglio anche, su FB, Langenberg sta promuovendo 5SS come un'opportunità MLM quindi è ovvio che che i più bassi tre livelli di adesione sono tutti MLM. sia Craig è cazzate o doesn8217t capire il lato MLM del business. io non so molto di forex trading, ma è possibile per qualsiasi opportunità di trading per essere in grado di promettere 15 ROI8217s al mese se il commercio era così privo di rischi e potrebbe promettere tali rendimenti elevati, il mondo intero sarebbe farlo proprio qualcosa puzza qui. Oz: di porre la questione di verifica di terze parti nel contesto. Youve ha ottenuto investimenti in dumping su una terza parte, che sostengono di essere legittimo, con l'unica prova in quanto tale, essendo ancora un altro terzo. Che sostengono così sulla base delle informazioni fornite loro dal primo gruppo di terze feste. E, naturalmente, nonostante offerte di titoli stato fatto a sinistra, destra e centro nessuno è registrato presso la SEC. Ma uh, sì, assolutamente alcuna possibilità di 15 al mese ROI Ponzi imbrogli succedendo qui. Riiiiiiiiiiight. E ho detto Theres schema piramidale catena-reclutamento succedendo troppo Niente Suss sto iniziando a chiedersi se si sta cercando di fare qui una recensione di fatto e obiettiva. Sono sempre stato un fan del tuo lavoro, ma mi preoccupa che si sta ancora parlando molto bullishly circa le possibilità di esso che è un ponzi. La segregazione dei fondi rende questo impossibile. I8217d Da segnalare anche i numeri che citi sono medie su un paio di anni. Il 822.015 un month8221 va da -20 del mese peggiore per 67 il mese migliore. Nulla vicino a un flusso costante di risultati come 15 è estremamente improbabile. È una media geometrica. Bla bla bla, offerte di titoli non registrati, 15 pubblicizzati ROI mensili offerti da terzi, amministratore delegato della società fare affermazioni di reddito garantito su Facebook e le questioni schema piramidale. Mi sono perso qualcosa io sono sempre stato un fan del tuo lavoro, ma mi preoccupa che si sta ancora parlando molto bullishly circa le possibilità di esso che è un ponzi. Sì, ognuno è un fan di BehindMLM fino a quando passiamo in rassegna la vostra opportunità. Non I8217m dicendo di sicuro 5 broker stella Signals8217 sono impegnati in frode Ponzi, non ha mai fatto. Solo per mantenere la possibilità in mente come l'azienda si basa sulla verifica di terze parti. Segnali 5 Stelle stessi non commerciali, essi sollecitano soltanto investimenti in mediatori di terzi 8211 nessuno dei quali sembrano essere registrati presso la SEC (né sono 5 stelle stessi segnali). E there8217s un palese piramide schema di backend nessuno sembra disposto a address8230 Alcuni risultati della strategia a basso rischio, per l'illustrazione. La media qui è di 2,6 al mese, ma si basa su una media su vittorie e sconfitte. vittoria e le perdite reali. Questa cosa PAMM iniziato come un semplice pregiudizio sulla base troppo tempo a guardare Ponzi. E 'qualcosa che è comune. Per essere ancora alludendo alla possibilità che ora è solo scegliendo di non fare due diligence su ciò che si riporta su. Come per il sito web Segnali 5 Stelle: deposito minimo di 1.000 cauzioni ulteriori possibili Puntando per ca. 3 guadagni in media al mese Minimo di deposito di 500 cauzioni ulteriori possibili puntando 9-10 guadagni in media al mese deposito minimo di 1.000 cauzioni ulteriori possibili puntando 15 guadagni in media al mese There8217s nulla di 2,6 al mese o 8220average vittorie e losses8221. Questa cosa PAMM iniziato perché lei ha citato, e continuare a usarlo per distogliere l'attenzione dai segnali 5 Stelle titoli non registrati e problemi di conformità schema piramidale. 8220PAMM8221 non è stato menzionato una volta nella revisione. Craig. Il 15 un mese varia da -20 del mese peggiore per 67 sul mese migliore. così, le perdite nel corso dicono tre mesi, potrebbe spazzare via la maggior parte del capitale investito da un affiliato investitore in PAMM, il che significa che dovranno reinvestire 8216more funds8217 per guadagnare si spera 15 media in due anni o giù di lì. questo è come le persone perdono soldi nel commercio, non hanno fondi supplementari da reinvestire nella speranza di guadagni futuri. cadono fuori con le loro perdite. anjali. così, le perdite nel corso dicono tre mesi, potrebbe spazzare via la maggior parte del capitale investito da un affiliato investitore in PAMM, il che significa che dovranno reinvestire più fondi per spera guadagnare 15 media in due anni o giù di lì. questo è come le persone perdono soldi nel commercio, non hanno fondi supplementari da reinvestire nella speranza di guadagni futuri. cadono fuori con le loro perdite. Anjali, grazie. Ora stiamo parlando di punti relativi. Vi sono anche assolutamente corretto. La maggior parte delle persone perdono soldi se i prelievi sono troppo elevati e se i conti don8217t tornare a water mark. Sulla nostra strategia di rischio più elevato la perdita massima che abbiamo visto finora è di 50 ed è ora a livelli record. Abbiamo innevate è a 50 poiché dopo che si inizia ad entrare in perdenti aritmetica in cui è necessario il 100 solo per tornare al livello. La media geometrica data è quindi esso rappresenta per le perdite pure. Io voglio don8217t Oz a pensare che sto collegamento di dumping di nuovo, ma per conoscere la media geometrica contro l'aritmetica in media solo google entrambe le parole con 8220investopedia8221. Se dovessi farlo con l'aritmetica media (che sarebbe diventata fuorviante in quanto non tiene conto di un 50 DD) la media sarebbe di circa 68 al mese. (1.440 guadagno diviso per 21 mesi di trading) 5 Star è un programma di affiliazione dove si paga un canone mensile per accedere alle loro strategie di trading, ACC Pammm e l'istruzione. That8217s loro prodotto Se si sceglie di rinviare il caso allora vieni pagato per le persone che si mettono in chi acquistare le appartenenze troppo. Il denaro si mette in per la negoziazione è in fondi broker segregati. È possibile ritirare il capitale e profitti in qualsiasi momento. Perché questo è una piramide o Ponzi anjali. non importa se i commerci sono reali o meno. questi traffici non sono eseguite da 5SS. prendere un respiro profondo Craig, e affrontare la questione piramide. Non appena tutti d'accordo che ci sono vere e proprie compravendite stati fatti, gli investitori il denaro viene tenuto sotto il loro nome e non c'è modo siamo in grado di manipolare i fondi in un Ponzi come la moda possiamo discutere altre cose. Sicuramente, anche se non vi è una strategia di trading profittevole alla base di tutto ciò è la prima cosa da affrontare. Riferendosi di nuovo alle 8220losses oltre 3 months8221 parte, perché questo è davvero un ottimo punto. Una metrica che usiamo per monitorare i risultati è il drawdown storico massimo (esso contenute denominato 8220DD8221) vrs il guadagno medio mensile. Questo ci dà una aspettativa basata sulle medie quanto tempo ci vorrà per recuperare da un prelievo massimo. I termini tecnici utilizzati per questo è il calcolo del rischio di rovina. Si può vedere il rischio di statistiche rovina sulla nostra strategia di 3 qui. Se si sceglie di rinviare il caso allora vieni pagato per le persone che si mettono in chi acquistare le appartenenze troppo. Affiliates paying a fee and getting paid to recruit affiliates pyramid scheme. Whatever is attached to said fee is irrelevant when affiliates are required to pay said fee to qualify for commissions. It8217s chain-recruitment any way you look at it, and in MLM that8217s a pyramid scheme. Craig . As soon as can all agree that there are real trades being made, investors money is held under their name and there is no way we can manipulate the funds in a Ponzi like fashion we can discuss other things. it is not imperative to have 8216agreement8217. it is enough that everyone has placed their viewpoint on record. now move along and address the 8216pyramid8217 part. Craig . Surely, whether or not there is a profitable trading strategy at the base of everything is the first thing to address. if 5SS is providing the 8216profitable trading strategy8217 then investors are putting funds in PAMM on your 8216expertise8217. 5SS is thus responsible for the returns investors make, whether or not the money is directly invested with 5SS. this in turn, means 5SS needs to be registered with the SEC in the US or their equivalent in other countries. anjali . it is not imperative to have agreement. it is enough that everyone has placed their viewpoint on record. now move along and address the pyramid part. I disagree with you here. The model used has a significant effect on the conflict or alignment of interests and thus should be clarified. If 5SS was indeed just sweet talking Peter to pay Paul then there would cynical foreplanning to rip people off at some point. If it is based on real trading results (strategies 5SS also has its own money in) then all interests are aligned with it being in 5SS8217s best self interest to have stability and longevity in its offerings. Which one of these is the case determines if the tone used in this article is correct. This article has set up Mariska as a baddie due to her previous businesses and goes on to say 8220With 5 Star Signals the culture of victim-blaming fraud will likely continue.8221 Under the PAMM model where funds security and transparency of trading results is very much in the forefront it tells a tale of Mariska learning from mistakes she made and looking to bring a viable alternative based on real results. Very fundamental thing to clear up to make sure at the very least, the review is factual. Craig : Can we define investment here please Buying a membership is not an investment. The returns are not paid on memberships. Investment When you pay money to a third party, and your primary motive is that you expect to get your money back plus a profit after some time or event. 8220Expected profits on capital based on the efforts of others8221 . just to make it simple. A pyramid scheme will require payment for the eligibility to earn commissions, rewards or fxes that derive primarily from introduction of other participants 8212 from THEIR payments rather than from external sources. It doesn8217t mean that the rewards will need to be directly tied to the act of recruiting other people into the scheme. It doesn8217t mean that everyone will need to pay either, or that 8220free re-entries into the matrix8221 are excluded. Ponzi schemes are fraudulent investment schemes. They will require misrepresentation of the profit source. It doesn8217t really matter whether it8217s about promises of future profits, about 8220phantom profits8221 or about actual profits paid to SOME investors. It means that the Ponzi scheme won8217t really need to 8220steal from Peter to pay Paul8221 . even if that method is a very common one. Craig . If 5SS was indeed just sweet talking Peter to pay Paul then there would cynical foreplanning to rip people off at some point. the pyramid recruitment side of 5SS is doing just that, it is sweet talking Peter to pay Paul, so the 8216rip off8217 element is very much present even if you expect us to ignore the probability of 5SS being a 8216ponzi8217. who are your brokers and are they registered with the SEC as 5SS has been around for an year what is the average ROI earned by investors what proof can you offer for this you cannot expect everyone to take your 8216word8217 on unproved statistics. so, you shall have to accept that the ponzi 8216probability8217 is a real concern of reviewers, and only time will prove which is what. however, the pyramid recruitment scam is obvious from the compensation plan itself, and we can have some 8216finality8217 about the 8216pyramid issue8217 without reliance on third party trading stats. so, how about addressing the pyramid issue I think This discussion makes very clear now that the average ROI8217s like 3-15 per month 5SS aims at, are purely possible result from the personal trading accounts of members and can in not be a ponzi, just like trading in the stock market with personal accounts that retail customers have can not. Oz, I think your pain is in the part that when a bronze member recruits another member, a commission of 12 of the membership fee is payed monthly, in the case of a recruited copper member (who is not an MLM affiliate but only a retail customer that wants to open an account to be able to connect to the strategies of 5SS) around 70 cents. I always learned mlms are only defined as ponzi or pyramid if most of the cash flow results out of the recruitment part, so the initial money or monthly money members pay and is given to other members. But if members 8220recruit8221 far more customers than affiliates, because the product itself is a very wanted value added thing in the market, without the mlm part also very interesting, it is legal. Correct me if I am wrong. M032Norway . Ponzi schemes are fraudulent investment schemes. They will require misrepresentation of the profit source. It doesnt really matter whether its about promises of future profits, about phantom profits or about actual profits paid to SOME investors. 8220promises of future profits8221 Please visit 5starsignalsrisk-disclaimer for full infomation. are fraudulent investment schemes. They will require misrepresentation of the profit source. Di preciso. All I am trying to do is have some very basic due diligence done to verify that the chances of us being able to do this when we present results via Myfxbook is extremely slim. Given that investors can watch their trades in real time and have their funds stored under their own name and never accessible for anything other than placing trades renders this impossible. Oz . As per the 5 Star Signals website: Minimum Deposit of 1,000 Additional deposits possible Aiming for approx. 3 gains on average per month Minimum Deposit of 500 Additional deposits possible Aiming for 9-10 gains on average per month Minimum Deposit of 1,000 Additional deposits possible Aiming for 15 gains on average per month with the monthly payments of 27197497, investors will have to make much larger investments than a 1000 to be profitable. for instance an investment of 3000 at an average return of 15 pm, will not even fully cover the monthly autoship of 497. to make any meaningful returns, investors will have to invest much more than 3000 and live with the risk of consecutive monthly losses. but, recruitment commissions will be a 8216no loss8217 method of earning money in 5SS. so, would i choose to take the 497 package and recruit like hell, or would i invest upwards of 6000 and hope to make money from forex trading over a period of 2 years Because, one thing I am very sure we can all agree on, to manipulate clients funds in a Ponzi fashion requires access in some degree to the funds. Under a PAMM model both Peter and Paul are sitting with their hands firmly in their pockets and no one is getting robbed. There may be profits, there may be losses but there is never misrepresentation of such. I have the same question Oz asked you in post 27. Are any of the third-party brokers 5 Star Signals use registered with the SEC (min 12 months) Are any of them registered with the SEC or any other relevant authority (e. g. FINRA) Most of your other arguments will make very little sense if 5SS use an unlicensed broker. If the broker can8217t legally operate in the market, neither can 5SS. 8220Segregated accounts8221 won8217t change that. In any event segregated accounts protect clients funds. If 5SS, any brokerage partners or any of the trading team was to go out of business clients funds would still be held securely and never be used for anything other than trading. Until we clear up that is is beyond any reasonable doubt that this is legitimate trading results there is no point discussing anything else. All I8217d like is a factual review. I just asked a group of 11,000 traders if what we do is remotely possible to be a Ponzi by the way, I will get back to you with the results of that. Craig : Is there a specific reason you do not want me to reference how segregated bank accounts ensure the safety of clients funds regardless if 5SS, broker, trading or all three simultaneously went out of business The only reason will be if the information is meaningless without some other information. I can post a link to Wikipedia for you 8230 Segregated account is a bank account in which a customer8217s funds are held separate from the funds of a brokerage firm. This is done to create a clear separation between the two groups of money so client funds are not used for the wrong purpose, it also helps ensure that the money can be easily identified as belonging to customers in case a firm becomes bankrupt. In many jurisdictions segregated accounts cannot be used to pay creditors during a liquidation and must be returned to the customers directly. In most countries brokerage firms must maintain a segregated account to make sure that the clients money and the firm8217s money is not intermingled and clients funds are not used for operational purposes. Historically, unscrupulous stock brokers have used clients funds for their own use, which often results in the failure of the brokerage with the loss of client funds. Holding a segregated account is some measure to protect against such unscrupulous and fraudulent behaviour, however the effectiveness is limited as segregated accounts are often controlled by the brokerage firms senior management who when under pressure may be tempted to dip into such segregated funds. 8211 8211 8211 8211 en. wikipedia. orgwikiSegregatedaccount So segregated accounts clearly have some limitations. That8217s why we have asked about whether those brokers are registered with and licensed by relevant financial authorities, e. g. SEC or FINRA (or European versions). You have indirectly brought up that question yourself in post 6. We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership with a broker that has been cleared from the management of Superannuation funds by ASIC We can clearly accept ASIC Australian Securities and Investment Commission . It8217s more difficult to accept 8220about to launch a new brokerage partnership8221 . You should normally have told about existing brokers rather than about vague plans. Mariska van de Langenberg Thank you for paying attention to 5 Star Signals Oz, it is appreciated. I will not repeat what has already been extensively pointed out, that a PAMM model through licensed brokers is impossible for anyone to manipulate. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed, BehindMLM is not an MLM forex opportunity.) It only is possible to trade with these funds. Traders cannot withdraw any funds, only the account holder can, which is the member. As for my past, it didnt require a lot of research as Ive always been very open about that. Unfortunately your article didnt mention my reasons for leaving them. I still have the email (in German) to the CEOs of Bonofa explaining them exactly why I wouldnt connect my name any longer to their company. If you would have researched a little further you would have found that on a regular basis I point out to my Facebook friends why certain (often hyping) opportunities cannot be legit nor sustainable. I tell them not to blindly believe what marketers are claiming about Forex or investment opportunities. Marketers know marketing and most of the times do not understand Forex and related risks. It is because of all the lessons learned that 5 Star Signals was started, to have a real alternative for people. You also seem to assume that any member joining us automatically joins the earning model through our compensation plan. That is a misconception. About half of the people who are joining do not join the partner program, which requires a separate registration. What you call a required auto ship to earn is a membership in which way more value is given than paid for. No forex knowledge is required to start a PAMM account, however we think and recommend everyone to acquire at least basic understanding of Forex trading in order to understand the trades on their accounts. The bronze membership gives access to this part of our education, including weekly analyses on currency pairs. We have traders who opened a PAMM and are quite pleased with the educational part while they know their money is working for them. If you do want to introduce others to 5 Star Signals, having a basic understanding does help, wouldnt you agree No one is paid commissions on the one time only affiliate fees of 10, that would be illegal. The memberships give value AND access to the PAMM strategies we enable our members to participate in. Memberships thus can be seen as self-consumption, which is fully legitimate. You may not be aware, but even our information calls dont go into the partner program, only talk about the productserviceeducation side of our business. Feel free to join one, we have them every Monday night. It also seems you have completely missed our compliance page on the website, which would have answered quite a few of your questions or might have given you some understanding how the business is generating revenues. The biggest revenue stream is paid to us by the broker, not by the members. It is revenue the broker is generating on all trading accounts, PAMM accounts and individual accounts. We have simply negotiated to get a part of THEIR revenues, which we happily share with our partners. Every day the broker is sending the member an overview of all transactions on their account, wins and losses, all transparent. Now, we only operate through licensed broker partners. If asked by authorities we can also show the accounts are traded by fully licensed traders. Stating it all is third party and thus cannot be trusted is a little uneducated statement Oz. We dont collect names, we dont open accounts in the names of our members, we don8217t take their investment funds, we are not forcing them to start a PAMM, we almost force them to understand all risks involved in order for them to make an educated decision on what risk level (and the historical aimed games ON AVERAGE) would best suit them. If we would collect their names, or would take their investment money, or we would open the account for them, then we would need registration with authorities. We do none of that all. They have full access to their funds, their money is not stuck. If youd wanna see the inside of the membership area, drop me a message. Well do a Skype and Ill be happy to screen share with you and give you the grand tour, also through all education, so you can see for yourself its not third party education, it is our very own. Back to our comp plan. Id like to take the opportunity to emphasize we dont pay out most on personal referrals, but on the 2nd level of the matrix. This is to encourage people to work with partners they have personally signed up to ensure they will have proper support in talking with their own contacts. We have chosen for the 1021510 matrix to enforce spillover, which will help less experienced people to benefit from the activities of people who joined before them. In our video about the partner program we tell people exactly why we have chosen this shape. With full research (and a little less assumptions, though understandable) you wouldnt have asked why the 1021510 has been chosen. The fact that it can never be filled doesnt make it unrealistic. Since you keep repeating yourself all through this thread, lets get back on the registration with SEC. Did you know there is a world outside of the US Sure, there is Norway, and Irelandand the Netherlands too (sorry, couldnt resist). 5 Star Signals is giving people investment advice, but is not registered with any securities exchange. This is one area where the reviewer clearly demonstrates that he has not studied 5SS in any depth. Anyone who does so will realize that 5 Star Signals entire business model is carefully built around three absolutely critical pillars of Compliance: a) At no time does 5 Star Signals invest ANY money on behalf of its members 100 of member investing is done between members and their brokers. 5 Star Signals simply provides access to these brokers, who ARE licensed to trade and give investment advice. b) 5 Star Signals does not give any investment advice and trains all of its partners to follow that same prohibition. 5SS provides access to educational resources that allow people to study and make up their own minds about what is appropriate for them. c) Similarly, 5 Star Signals does not make any income claims or guarantees, regarding participation either in our Partner program (networking) OR in investments. The reviewers reference to the Aug. 27 Facebook post is misleading. I have said that 100 of members CAN make money with this program. Not WILL. That is an important distinction. What Ive meant is that, unlike many companies, 5SS has set up a simple, realistic system that lets members make money promoting Forex products (NOT promoting the investments themselves lets be clear). no matter where they may fall in the matrix. So the word can reflects that realistic possibility. NOT a CERTAINTYno such guarantee is ever mentioned. Compliance training for all our partners is mandatory, as we do take that very seriously. As a matter of fact, we had a training call on that topic just last night. (Ozedit: attempt to take discussion offsite removed) A final word: it might be good to understand the difference between binary broker platforms and solid forex brokers. Its a world of difference between the two types. How many of you people would trust a known drug dealer who tells you their new batch isn8217t illegal Ok, now read this again: 8220Further research reveals van de Langenberg (right) was an affiliate of Global One and Bonofa in 2013. Global One initially launched in 2012 as Ultimate Power Profits and sought to capitalize on the Zeek Rewards penny auction Ponzi craze at the time. Following the SEC bust of Zeek Rewards in August 2012, Global One abandoned plans to launch their penny auction Ponzi. The company limped along as a straight recruitment opportunity for another year or so, before collapsing entirely in mid 2013. van de Langenberg stuck with the company till she left it for Bonofa in May 2013. Bonofa affiliates pay a fee to join and then earn commissions by recruiting other affiliates who do the same. The company also ran an unregistered securities points scheme, which was purportedly attached to an IPO offering. Going by their Alexa statistics, Bonofa appears to have collapsed late last year. Van de Langenberg appears to have gotten out as Bonofa went into decline, with 5 Star Signals launching in mid 2014.8221 WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW Geesh I always learned mlms are only defined as ponzi or pyramid if most of the cash flow results out of the recruitment part If the majority of Bronze members are affiliates (and it8217s obvious they are, nobody has yet talked about retail sales and the comp plan requires affiliates to purchase Bronze membership to qualify for commissions), then separating the affiliate fee from Bronze membership is pseudo-compliance. anjali . with the monthly payments of 27197497, investors will have to make much larger investments than a 1000 to be profitable. for instance an investment of 3000at an average return of 15 pm, will not even fully cover the monthly autoship of 497. to make any meaningful returns, investors will have to invest much more than 3000 and live with the risk of consecutive monthly losses. but, recruitment commissions will be a no loss method of earning money in 5SS. so, would i choose to take the 497 package and recruit like hell, or would i invest upwards of 6000 and hope to make money from forex trading over a period of 2 years Thank you for again making a terrific point. To invest the only membership required is 7 a month or 70 for the year. Profitable (based on historic results) on 500. Your point about costs outweighing profits was something we addressed recently when it was non viable with our current investors memberships to make a profit on our lowest investment account size (on low risk). We then slashed the price of this membership 75 to make it viable. To clarify one more time, 197 and 497 levels are training products where we teach people how to trade themselves. This is a retail product with no additional benefits at this membership level for affiliates. Maximum cost for an investor only membership is 84 a year. Under 20 on 500. Hope that clears that up. Segregated accounts and forex PAMM accounts have probably been explained clearly enough. I quoted almost the whole Wikipedia article for segregated account in a post. What people have asked questions about is the brokers. Are they registered and licensed by relevant authorities Relevant authorities seems to be ASIC in Australia SEC in the U. S. FINRA in the U. S. (delegated authority, supervised by SEC) FCA in the UK FSA in Japan etc. I will only list a few examples. WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE We can deal with this once the post has been corrected to be accurate. I did already reference that one of the brokers we use is used to manage Superannuation funds (ASIC approved for pension funds) Oz . Yeah, everybody is a fan of BehindMLM until we review your opportunity seems you hit another home run since scammers need to run to defend it fast and furious. Hi Mariska, thanks for stopping by. As for my past, it didnt require a lot of research as Ive always been very open about that. Unfortunately your article didnt mention my reasons for leaving them. It8217s easy to leave a scam once you8217ve made your money. Why on Earth did join multiple shady business opportunities in the first place About half of the people who are joining do not join the partner program, which requires a separate registration. How many non-affiliates are paying 197 or 497 a month What is the ratio of Silver and Gold affiliate memberships in terms of membership revenue entering the company each month You can have a 5050 split in memberships but if affiliate revenue (by way of Silver and Gold memberships) dwarfs that of non-affiliates, you have a problem. We dont collect names, we dont open accounts in the names of our members, we dont take their investment funds, we are not forcing them to start a PAMM, we almost force them to understand all risks involved in order for them to make an educated decision on what risk level (and the historical aimed games ON AVERAGE) would best suit them. You solicit 500-1000 investments from your members by advertising up to 15 ROIs on your website. If we would collect their names, or would take their investment money, or we would open the account for them, then we would need registration with authorities. We do none of that all. lets get back on the registration with SEC. Did you know there is a world outside of the US Sure, there is Norway, and Irelandand the Netherlands too (sorry, couldnt resist). So that8217s a no on regulatory registration. And in particular you8217re soliciting US invested funds with an offer of securities, and are not registered with the SEC. I figured as much when Craig danced around the issue ad infinitum. I have said that 100 of members CAN make money with this program. Not WILL. That is an important distinction. No, it isn8217t. It8217s called pseudo-compliance and still constitutes an income guarantee. Sadly it appears that while you might have left some scams over the years, you8217ve retained the marketing tactics typically used to promote them. Income disclaimers mean nothing when you are soliciting investments on the promise of up to 15 ROIs each month. Having a disclaimer (of any kind) doesn8217t negate the solicitation of investment on the promise of 8220aimed8221 ROIs. Income disclaimers mean nothing when you are soliciting investments on the promise of up to 15 ROIs each month. Having a disclaimer (of any kind) doesnt negate the solicitation of investment on the promise of aimed ROIs. You imagine promises and ignore real trading results haha. You are making this look silly now mate. Just making up new things and ignoring clear facts. could you please explain why you have not published my comments regarding funds security in seg accounts or the post of people who are involved in the Forex markets unanimously agreeing that it is impossible (not improbable, impossible) for a Ponzi model to be run. You cannot verify what third parties are doing. Trades might be made but if a broker is running Ponzi on the backend with the majority of funds invested, a trade log on yet another third-party website isn8217t going to disclose that. Furthermore with none of this registered with the SEC, within the context of MLM and investments this is a huge compliance red flag that should not be ignored . You imagine promises and ignore real trading results haha. You are making this look silly now mate. Just making up new things and ignoring clear facts. The only facts relevant here are that 5 Star Signals are soliciting investments from affiliates based on advertised future money predictions of up to 15 a month ROIs. That8217s an investment promise and a securities offering, and 5 Star Signals nor any of their brokers are registered with the SEC. By all means conduct this PAMM stuff outside of MLM. But if you8217ve paired it with an MLM business opportunity 8211 mate crapping on about PAMM and Investopedia doesn8217t matter. MLM has it8217s own set of regulations and, just as you claim I have no idea about PAMM (which is fair enough), you appear to have little appreciation of MLM regulatory requirements. Seeing as this isn8217t a review about PAMM, but rather an MLM business opportunity, readers can make up their own mind as to who is actually relevant here. Continued offtopic derail attempts will be marked as spam. Stay on topic discussing the 5 Star Signals MLM business opportunity. Nobody cares what you and your forex buddies think on some random forex site. Leave that shit over there, we8217re discussing the MLM opportunity here. Oz . The only facts relevant here are that 5 Star Signals are soliciting investments from affiliates based on advertised future money predictions of up to 15 a month ROIs. Thats an investment promise and a securities offering, and 5 Star Signals nor any of their brokers are registered with the SEC. Giving the average historical monthly results and also giving the risk on that risk level. Stop making stuff up mate. You are clearly choosing the words to put in peoples mouths here with 8220promises8221 and such. We make it explicitly clear nothing is assured. There can be wins and losses. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed) If we begin to talk about the real business model and the post is made accurate I can then address your other points. If you are just going to continue with 8220Screw your facts, I have an opinion8221 then I will discontinue this conversation. More than enough evidence has been provided to make an accurate assessment and do due diligence. Aiming for 9-10 gains on average per month Aiming for 15 gains on average per month Those are totally monthly ROI predictions, cut the crap. We make it explicitly clear nothing is assured. In MLM you cannot run around making ROI claims and wipe it away with a disclaimer. This isn8217t the world of shady unregistered forex brokers, this is MLM because 5 Star Signals is an MLM business opportunity. Bloody hell, it8217s not hard to get your head around8230 Like I said, neither you nor 5 Star Signals can guarantee third-party brokers are not running a Ponzi scheme backend while they post a trade log on yet another third-party website. You might be comfortable swallowing what is claimed, but that8217s a weak position to take on due-diligence. Remember, this is all unregulated by design. Why doesn8217t 5 Star Signals engage brokers who are registered with the SEC That is all I have pointed out. You insist this is not possible, which I assert is an extremely naive position to take. Rather what you8217ve read is 8220ZOMG, BEHINDMLM SAID WE ARE A PONZI SCHEME8221 . which was never stated. I don8217t pull the Ponzi trigger unless I8217m sure of it. It was simply raised here as a possibility. Which I maintain is perfect reasonable, given the level of third-party reliance 5 Star Signals have and that neither 5 Star Signals nor the third-party brokers involved appear to be registered with the SEC. Oz : Like I said, neither you nor 5 Star Signals can guarantee third-party brokers are not running a Ponzi scheme backend while they post a trade log on yet another third-party website. Please provide one shred of proof for your theory. I presented Myfxbook verified via investor login password and real results. What have you got Proof Oz, not stabs in the dark opinions. Otherwise you are just here spouting about something you are showing everyone know understands what we are doing you have no idea what you are talking about. (Ozedit: Offtopic forex waffle removed) I presented Myfxbook verified via investor login password and real results. Like I said, posting a trade log on yet another third-party website doesn8217t really have anything to do with running a Ponzi backend. And with none of this regulated, dismissing the potential for Ponzi fraud is irresponsible. You might be comfortable with that, I8217m not and the potential for fraud needs to be pointed out. Especially when you8217re talking about automated pooled trading accounts and when none of this is regulated Why is it I can accept your point of view but you8217re having such trouble with the reverse Without registration with the SEC, soliciting investments on advertised monthly ROI predictions is a huge compliance red flag in MLM . I could not and do not give a stuff about what it means in the world of shady unregistered forex brokers. And on that note, your first reaction to this MLM review was to run off to a forex site and solicit opinion from forex investors. Run the solicitation of investment on the promise of up to 15 monthly ROIs, lack of regulatory registration and chain-recruitment issues past an MLM attorney Didn8217t think so. And I8217ve even reduce that to running it by someone familiar with the MLM industry but, well here we are. (And by MLM attorney I don8217t mean some random law firm in the Netherlands nobody has ever heard of) We can deal with this once the post has been corrected to be accurate. I did already reference that one of the brokers we use is used to manage Superannuation funds (ASIC approved for pension funds) You didn8217t say that in post 6. 8220We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership8221 normally means that it hasn8217t been launched yet. We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership with a broker that has been cleared from the management of Superannuation funds by ASIC So my question was relevant enough. Are the current broker-dealers registered with or licensed by relevant authorities, e. g. SEC or FINRA In case they are licensed 8212 in which country or countries You won8217t need to answer the question if you don8217t know the answer. I8217m only trying to clarify something here. M032Norway . You didnt say that in post 6. We are just about to launch a new brokerage partnership normally means that it hasnt been launched yet. So my question was relevant enough. Are the current broker-dealers registered with or licensed by relevant authorities, e. g. SEC or FINRA In case they are licensed in which country or countries You wont need to answer the question if you dont know the answer. Im only trying to clarify something here. Unfortunately Oz is stubbornly sticking to what amounts to a wild conspiracy theory that would involve at 5SS and at least 3 other brokers colluding to present fake results and also duping Myfxbook into presenting these fake results. Until this is cleared up it does not warrant moving onto the next points. One point of clarification though, my comment referring to ASIC in the near future did not mean we use unregulated brokers now. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed) On that new broker we will be launching another trader that makes this one we have now look average. I will be sure to post the verifiable results going forward when we launch it 8211 as we always do. TLDR: Despite the offering of securities, neither 5 Star Signals or the brokers they use are registered with the SEC. 5SS and at least 3 other brokers colluding to present fake results and also duping Myfxbook into presenting these fake results. Numbers on a screen don8217t have to correlate to purported trades. Ditto the actual flow of money on the backend. That8217s a risk you take when you dump funds into unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers. Failing to acknowledge that is irresponsible due-diligence. Mariska032van032de032Langenberg . (61) I will not repeat what has already been extensively pointed out, that a PAMM model through licensed brokers is impossible for anyone to manipulate. And we have asked about those brokers. You can probably tell us which countries those brokers are licensed in We have asked specifically about broker-dealer license from SEC, FINRA or any other relevant authority. 5 Star Signals is clearly trying to promote itself and the related forex service in the U. S. e. g. you have specific rules indicating that. From the Terms And Conditions 8230 SECTION 3 OPERATING A 5SS BUSINESS 8230 3.2.7 The Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Communications Commission each have laws that restrict telemarketing practices. Both federal agencies (as well as a number of states) have do not call regulations as part of their telemarketing laws. Many countries have these regulations as well. 8211 8211 8211 8211 5starsignalsterms-and-conditions Oz : TLDR: Despite the offering of securities, neither 5 Star Signals or the brokers they use are registered with the SEC. Can you tell me the names of the brokers we use that you have determined are 8220unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers.8221 please Oz Since you talk about due diligence in the same breath. Can you tell me the names of the brokers we use that you have determined are unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers. please Oz The names are irrelevant, only that the brokers 5 Star Signals are affiliated with are not registered with the SEC is of significance. If they were, you8217d have provided the relevant information 88 comments ago. (Ozedit: Unless you8217re going to provide information pertaining to the brokers 5 Star Signals uses being registered with the SEC, stop posting spammy comments.) We have 3 brokers, all from different parts of the world, all under different regulations and all displaying the exact same results. Care to explain how this would be remotely possible under your theory of Ponzi play We have 3 brokers, all from different parts of the world, all under different regulations and all displaying the exact same results. Which regulations Which regulatory agencies are these brokers registered with None of them appear to be registered with the SEC, or you8217d have readily provided the information. Care to explain how this would be remotely possible under your theory of Ponzi play Not until you transition from vague marketing statements to actual regulatory registration details, see above. (Ozedit: Right. Anything further from you that does not disclose the requested regulatory registration details will be marked as spam.) Craig is wasting my time dancing around the fact that neither 5 Star Signals or their brokers are registered with the SEC (or any other securities regulator for that matter). This is an issue because both 5 Star Signals and the brokers they use are offering securities to 5 Star Signals affiliates. It also opens the door for fraud (Ponzi or otherwise), because shady brokers operating in unregulated environments is a recipe for disaster. Failure to acknowledge that is failure in adequate due-diligence, which within the context of today8217s MLM business opportunity landscape, is not an option. Especially when this particular opportunity is advertising monthly ROIs of up to 15 on its website. Pending regulatory registration details from Craig (or 5 Star Signals), that8217s that. Craig : We have 3 brokers, all from different parts of the world, all under different regulations and all displaying the exact same results. Just forget it. You don8217t seem to be able to answer it anyway. Mariska can probably try to answer it. Both of you claim the brokers are licensed, but both of you have been very vague about details. From Mariska8217s post 61 8230 Every day the broker is sending the member an overview of all transactions on their account, wins and losses, all transparent. Now, we only operate through licensed broker partners. If asked by authorities we can also show the accounts are traded by fully licensed traders. Craig : Care to explain how this would be remotely possible under your theory of Ponzi play I8217m not sure what you8217re talking about there I haven8217t had time to focus on any theories yet. To clarify something here, I8217m looking into this 5 Star Signals topic for the first time, so I have mostly asked questions. But I have also added some sources to look at. I am into forex for about 6 years now. Forex is a difficult market to earn money unless you have the education to do this in a proper way. I am making money in forex and I can live from that money but to earn my money it takes a lot of my time. I was always looking for a way to make it easier for me and stumbled upon Pamm accounts. 5StarSignals presented their strategies and I started my own investigation on them. Myfxbook is a fully respected and independent, company where people who manage forex accounts can attach their accounts to and then show the real results to the world. This is what 5StarSIgnals did and to be honest, I am really impressed. I allready know who the brokers are that they are dealing with as that is not such a big secret when you do a little investigation and must say that those brokers are topnotch, so I don8217t really see what your problem is with 5StarSignals. They offer people the possibility to join for only 7 a month (a normal bankaccount costs more a month) and people can get access to all their strategies. If people want to built a business (and get access to the pamms) they can look for other interested people. People that want to learn more about how to trade for themselves can join a higher level (silver or gold). As a forex trader for 6 years I don8217t understand the fuzz you are making about this company, in my opinion it is fully legal and thanks to this complete story I am going to start with an account with them With all due respect, dumping funds in 5 Star Signals on the expectation of advertised monthly ROI projections is not 8220education8221. Nor is it a 8220strategy8221. It8217s a securities offering that should be regulated by appropriate securities regulators, namely the SEC in the US. not a securities regulator and are thus irrelevant. I allready know who the brokers are that they are dealing with Are any of them registered with the SEC or at the very least a securities regulator in any jurisdiction I dont really see what your problem is with 5StarSignals. Ovviamente no. You8217re making money and you8217re here to defend that. People with vested financial interests typically make the worst reviewers. in my opinion it is fully legal and thanks to this complete story I am going to start with an account with them. Buona fortuna. We provide information and what you do with it is up to you. Nothing more, nothing less. Oz: Myfxbook is not a securities regulator and are thus irrelevant. Myfxbook is independant and is highly respected in the forex world, ghis is more relevant than people sitting behind a desk thinking they know what they are talking about Oz: Are any of them registered with the SEC or at the very least a securities regulator in any jurisdiction Yes they are, SEC is not relevant, that8217s only US. But they have regulations like SEC from many countries Oz: Of course not. Youre making money and youre here to defend that. People with vested financial interests typically make the worst reviewers. Again you are a bad reader. I don8217t have an account with 5StarSignals yet, but am impressed by their results, so I am going to open an account with them Untill now I was making money myself but that takes a lot of time, for only 7 a month this is heaven for all traders Oz: Best of luck. We provide information and what you do with it is up to you. Nothing more, nothing less not a securities regulator and are therefore irrelevant. Who is registered with who then Why is obtaining this information from 5 Star Signals and their affiliates akin to drawing blood from a stone SEC is not relevant, thats only US. But they have regulations like SEC from many countries 1. Has 5 Star Signals accepted funds from US investors If so the SEC are entirely relevant. 2. What regulators Which countries I dont have an account with 5StarSignals yet, but am impressed by their results, so I am going to open an account with them And in doing so demonstrate a lack of regard for proper regulatory registrations. Like I said, you make money this way and are defending it. That8217s fine, but let8217s not pretend you8217re being objective about it. You8217re here to defend making money in unregistered securities. one of the brokers 5SS uses is Tallinex. on oct 3rd,2015 mariska langenberg commented on FB: Mariska van de Langenberg: Already available on Tallinex from tallinex FAQ: Is Tallinex regulated The Financial Services Authority (FSA) in St Vincent and the Grenadines is responsible for ensuring that Tallinex complies with its obligations under the IBC Act. The FSA enforces strict business practices equal to or exceeding requirements of financial services regulators in other countries. but here is what the FSA of 8216st vincent and the gredadines8217 has to say about IBC8217s international business companies which are engaging in forex trading and brokerage: Financial Services Authority st vincentampgrenadine 5th June, 2014 The Financial Services Authority (the Authority) wishes to advise that it does not Regulate, Monitor or Supervise International Business Companies (IBCs) which engage in FOREX Trading or Brokerage. Statements of this nature are a misrepresentation of the Authoritys supervisory powers with respect to IBCs. The Authority does not approve or sanction the business activities of IBCs upon their incorporation. The extent of supervision of IBCs goes no further than to ensure that IBCs comply with their obligations under the International Business Companies Act. The Authority also does not license the activity of FOREX Trading or Brokerage and any IBC purporting to be licensed by the Authority to conduct this business activity is making a false statement no wonder craig and mariska are taking everyone for a wild ride around and round the mulberry bush. they can hadly tell you about their 8216brokers8217 and their 8216shifty8217 registrations. tallinex is a scammy broker with no registration for forex trading, and on top of that it provides accounts to US citizens. good luck to 5SS investors trying to get their investments or earnings back from tallinex. SteveT : I see this conversation has rumbled on and on creating tons of fresh content for your website. Most of my posts were 8220necessary research8221. It8217s the first time I8217m looking into a forex based MLM. I tried first to get some answers from Craig about broker-dealer licenses (countries), but I only got vague answers. In the U. S. the opportunity part of 5SS will probably be seen as a pyramid scheme 8212 not even a product based one. It doesn8217t really matter that 5SS have some 8220customers8221, since the product (forex) can8217t legally be sold in the U. S. 8212 if I interpreted the SEC warning correctly. I haven8217t come to any conclusion about Ponzi scheme. They do exist in forex trading, but they are not the most common solution if organizers want to make a profit 8212 there8217s many other methods available there. Some of the videos targeted specific groups of people, e. g. 5SS was presented as a solution to save up a retirement fund or to finance college education 8212 8220plan for the future8221 marketing. That8217s relatively 8220predatory marketing8221. 5 Stars Signals use methods that are more common in frauds than in normal business. There8217s simply too many red flags here. I8217m not very eager to reflect some 8220forex world ideas8221, e. g. the idea that 8220the other ones are worse8221 . I8217m pretty sure there8217s many bad forex programs out there, but it doesn8217t make this one any better. 8211 8211 8211 8211 BTW, here8217s another link, 8220Binary Option Scams8221. The website seems to be promotional, but it does offer some relevant information about how investors can be tricked. Craig . Can you tell me the names of the brokers we use that you have determined are unregistered and unregulated blackhole brokers. please Oz well, we found one broker called tallinex, who is not registered for forex trading anywhere. then we8217re waiting patiently for langenberg and craig to explain themselves. but, langenberg and craig have conveniently run away. running away like this will not inspire any confidence in their investors. with a caribbean island business like tallinex, which is not registered as a forex trader anywhere, which is investing the money of US citizens without US SEC registration, there are solid grounds for suspecting a 8216ponzi scheme8217 in 5SS. langenberg and craig are no longer in a position to Insist that we all concur with them, about 5SS Definitely Not being a ponzi scheme. now langenberg and craig must come back here and provide answers for the 8216pyramid scheme8217 they are also running in 5SS. they barged in here with the loud confidence of liars, and promptly ran away when we turned on the heat. do people really want to invest any money with 5SS who8217s CEO mariska langenberg and trade analyst craig, cannot stand their ground and complete the discussion in response to the butt kicks 5SS is receiving here, and on FB, craig walters started an FB conversation with 5SS affiliates, about their experience with the company. has the company misrepresented anything have you been forced to recruit do you think 5SS is a ponzi do you hate 5SS even though you had losses in short, meaningless questions, with a handful of faithfuls going gaga. no serious questions about who the brokers of 5SS are, and their registration. no clarification on the recruitment commissions paid out on the monthly autoship. a commentator on craig walters FB, mentioned the name of hotforex, who claim to be forex traders registered with the FSC mauritius. 5SS investor:If people think this is a ponzi, then id like them to show me8230all ive done is open an account with Hotforex and traded using 5 Star Signals Strategies8230 that doesnt speak of ponzi to me hotforex claims it is registered under the name of HF markets limited with the FSC mauritius under section 2-1B: HF Markets Limited, has a Category 1 Global Business License issued by the Financial Services Commission (FSC) of the Republic of Mauritius under the name of HF Markets Limited. well, i tried searching for 8216HF Markets Limited8217and 8216HF Markets LTD8217 in the FSC mauritius public registry and it did not show up. Activity: Section 2-1.B Investment Dealer (Full Service Dealer Excluding Underwriting) Name: HF Markets Limited No Records Found can someone else also try looking for the registration of HF Markets Limited with the FSC mauritius, to ensure i have not made an error we have already established that one broker of 5SS ie 8216tallinex8217 is not registered to do forex trading in the caribbean island of st vincentampgrenadine. lets check hotforex out anjali . (some idiots on FB asked) has the company misrepresented anything have you been forced to recruit do you think 5SS is a ponzi do you hate 5SS even though you had losses Do people in the Matrix know they8217re in the Matrix Is asking potential victims of a fraud 8220are you a victim8221 even logical anjali : hotforex claims it is registered under the name of HF markets limited with the FSC mauritius under section 2-1B: It showed a license from April 20 2010 . So it doesn8217t really mean anything. It doesn8217t even meet the requirements in the Conditions. looks like mariska made an explanation about it: Recently we were made aware of an article that had appeared on a website which discussed 5 Star Signals. The individual came to us to raise concerns that 5SS had been implied to be a Ponzi scam. The 5SS team is very used to dealing with such misconceptions and upon hearing about the post, Craig, who oversees the trading department of 5SS went over to clear things up. That article wasn8217t written by van de Langenberg: We are very proud of our CEO not despite of her previous endeavors but because of them. It8217s Craig Walters who I spam-binned him here because he couldn8217t provide details about 5 Star Signals regulatory registrations . Nor that of the third-party brokers they use. After a hundred or so comments of him dodging the issue and providing strawman arguments about some forex website, enough was enough. From the points raised in the article: Mariska van de Langenberg joined various scams. These weren8217t legit businesses that somehow turned scam, they were outright fraudulent businesses from the beginning 8211 and van de Langenberg was attracted to them as an MLM marketer. Leaving after she8217d made money and they were in decline isn8217t commendable. The least van de Langenberg can do is own her past, instead of trying to justify it as 8220it could have happened to anyone8221. 5SS offer Forex training forums Who is paying hundreds of dollars a month to access to a forum populated with third-party information, without the attached passive investment business opportunity Gold 497 a month The first rule about the gold forum is, you do not talk about the gold forum. With a mixture of it being hard to explain and also not wanting to disclose too much we will not give any details about what goes on in the gold forum Right8230 nothing scammy going on there. And what a pitch for retail customers8230 It8217s obvious only passive investor affiliates are going to cough up 450 a month to participate in what is obviously not compliant activity 5 Star Signals are pushing in their Gold forum. Thus the majority of funds entering 5 Star Signals are affiliate-sourced, making it a pyramid scheme that pays on affiliate recruitment. The rest of it is Craig Walters8217 strawman arguments I marked as spam here. And rightly so, seeing as they don8217t address the lack of regulatory registration (important because securities are offered to affiliates) and recruitment-centric compensation plan. The red flags here are too numerous and it8217s basically begging for a regulatory shutdown. 497 a month for access to 8216winkwinknudgenudge nothing illegal going on here8217 content, a CEO with a fraud-riddled past and securities being offered with no regulatory registration anywhere on the planet Welcome to the MLM underbelly. may I suggest to have a call with her on Skype and have a look behind the screens. You can go on and on and start repeating it while you can easily make a call, talk about it, get some more behind the screen information and hopefully get some real facts on table. Stop making all kinds of accusations while blocking the people defending their business. There is no reason to take the discussion offsite. Either 5 Star Signals is registered with the SEC or they are offering unregistered securities to US citizens. It8217s così semplice. And skirting the securities registration issue with nonsense about third-party forex websites isn8217t 8220defending a business8221, it8217s wasting mine and my reader8217s time. Either cough up the SEC registration documents or stop posting spam. That8217s pretty simple too. Who is Craig Walters, anyway I see no evidence of him existing on the internet aside from Facebook and a pinch of forex forums, and his trading background is sketchy at best. No pictures of himself, no proof that he8217s even real. I think this guy might be cat fishing us, and maybe the company itself. Just like the mysterious Marie Shaw probably was before she 8220passed8221 after losing a substantial amount of money in the PAMM accounts she was managing herself and deleting any trace of herself from the internet that she could. I want to see a background check on this supposed forex expert next and maybe even a real name for a change. Walters is some guy in Europe who8217s new to the MLM industry and believes he8217s above regulatory compliance. That8217s pretty much the impression I8217m getting. Seems to me he8217s new to forex as well. It also might be worth looking into what kind of money the company is making off being a middle man between actual traders. 5 Star Signals is absolutely making money off the investments going into these PAMM accounts, or why else do it In the past they8217ve also definitely offered investment advice based on 8220signals8221 to trade specific currency sets, as I8217m sure they are still doing in these forums they are so mysterious about, hence the 8220Signals8221 part of the company name. There8217s no way this is legal. Andreas . may I suggest to have a call with her on Skype and have a look behind the screens. no one is asking for any 8216secret8217 information that can only be divulged via 8216secrety8217 skype calls. why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here this invitation for person to person skype chats is a scammers excuse, to deflect blame on another party 8211 oh, we were ready to explain ourselves but oz didn8217t cooperate c8217mon buddy, explain yourself Here or the 8216scammer8217 label sticks clementine : Who is Craig Walters, anyway I see no evidence of him existing on the internet aside from Facebook and a pinch of forex forums, and his trading background is sketchy at best. He8217s the voice in some of the videos (post 103). 5SS is under no regulations at all. It is important to understand anything you do off of the 5starsignals or 5ssforex are not business transactions with 5SS. We sell memberships, we teach trading, we link with (the best) FX traders. Regulations are on financial advice and accepting investment. the above quote is by craig walters in his 8216rebuke-to-behindmlm-review-on-5-star-signals8217 published on the 5SS website. 5SS may not be trading themselves, but they are soliciting investments under their management, advising clients to tie up to 8216particular8217 forex traders they have selected, and are receiving commissions from the forex traders on their clients investments. this makes 5SS a 8216investment advisor8217 which the SEC USA defines as: Definition of Investment Adviser Section 202(a)(11) of the Act defines an investment adviser as any person or firm that: 1 for compensation 2 is engaged in the business of 3 providing advice to others or issuing reports or analyses regarding securities. 1 5SS receives commissions from the brokers appointed by them: craig walters: We make additional revenues by referring business to other entities craig walters: Lot of people expect we must take a front end fee on your investment. We could, we don8217t. This is very important since it is the difference between us making money if we mislead people or not. If we done this, any investments, we8217d be paid on. Since we do not, we do not make any decent money until we have made you money. as far as i understand, 5SS takes money from the brokers on trades, and also takes money on profitable trades of their clients. this is a 8216double dip8217 so 5SS is receiving 8216compensation8217, thus satisfying point 1 of the SEC definition of 8216investment adviser8217. 2 is engaged in the business of8230 5SS is clearly 8216engaged8217 in the 8216business8217 as evidenced by its interactive website soliciting clients to forex trade via third party forex traders 8216selected8217 by themselves through 8216links8217 provided by 5SS. 3 providing advice to others or issuing reports or analyses regarding securities. this is how the SEC defined 8216advice8217: Advice about Securities. A person clearly meets the third element of the statutory test if he provides advice to others about specific securities, such as stocks, bonds, mutual funds, limited partnerships, and commodity pools. The more difficult questions arise with less specific advice, or advice that is only indirectly about securities. The SEC staff has stated in this regard: (i) advice about market trends is advice about securities (ii) advice about the selection and retention of other advisers is advice about securities (iii) advice about the advantages of investing in securities versus other types of investments (e. g. coins or real estate) is advice about securities (iv) providing a selective list of securities is advice about securities even if no advice is provided as to any one security and (v) asset allocation advice is advice about securities. 5SS discuses market trends, links it8217s clients to particular brokers, provides strategies for trading training, and provides 8216options8217 asset allocation for investing by advising allocation of particular amounts of funds under different risk ratios 8211 all this safely dumps 5SS in the 8216investment adviser8217 category. thus, craig walter8217s arguments that 5SS is not obliged to be 8216regulated8217 at all is bunkum. further the SEC states: A non-U. S. adviser giving advice to U. S. persons must register with the SEC 5SS which is registered in ireland, cannot solicit US clients without an SEC registration. further 5SS brokers cannot accept US clients without SEC registration. at least two brokers of 5SS 8216tallinex8217 and 8216hotforex8217 are lying about their registrations for forex trading. their trade accounts are not audited by financial firms to ensure that the client PAMM accounts are secure. who knows what goes on in these bottom of the barrel, blackhole, unregistered, unregulated forex traders craig walters refuses to answer questions about the legality of 5SS brokers. he asks people to depend on third party review sites and the clients own due diligence. so if clients lose their money via 5SS it will be 8216their own fault8217. SEC: Section 202(a)(11) of the Act defines an investment adviser as any person or firm that: 1 for compensation 2 is engaged in the business of 3 providing advice to others or issuing reports or analyses regarding securities. i would like to further clarify the SEC8217s stand on 8216compensation8217 so that craig walters does not invent some wiggle room to misguide 5SS investors: The term compensation has been broadly construed. Generally, the receipt of any economic benefit, whether in the form of an advisory fee, some other fee relating to the total services rendered, a commission, or some combination, satisfies this element. The person receiving the advice or another person may pay the compensation. 5SS sells memberships which enables clients to invest with forex traders. 5SS earns on these memberships. hence 5SS receives 8216some other fee relating to the total services rendered8217. further, 5SS receives compensation from the brokers it refers clients to via links, hence though clients may not directly pay 5SS, it is getting commissions ie 8216another person may pay the compensation8217. craig walters must explain all this to us. it does not matter whether amsterdam is in norway or the netherlands. stay relevant. aw, these 5SS people are laughing at us, ie oz and commentators on this thread, for not knowing enough about forex trading: craig walters: It is a group of bloggers sitting about talking about Forex, confusing it with Binary options and refusing the offer of educational resources to get up to speed. cut the crap walters, no one wants to discuss forex trading with you. - why 5SS is not registered with the SEC, but is still offering its services in the USA. if you guys are as honest as you claim to be, why not register - why 5SS brokers are not registered with the SEC or anywhere else in the world. also, name all your brokers, don8217t be secretive. - why 5SS is not a pyramid scheme. lumping a product forex training with self qualifying monthly autoship and commissions is Illegal. dont give me the BS about people having to pay a onetime 10 fee to become affiliates. there is ONLY a one time 10 difference in being a retail customer or an affiliate, and such psuedo compliance BS will never stand before the SEC or a court. 5SS has no retail margin to encourage retail. if 5SS wants to indulge in MLM underbelly business and expect their clients to accept those risks, it8217s fine, it8217s your head on the chopping board. but, do not claim legitimacy and misguide people. even scammers should scam honestly why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here Yeah right If you block them the case is closed I guess, end of discussion for them. why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here Walters refused to provide regulatory registration information for 5 Star Signals or their third-party brokers. Rather than concede a lack of regulatory registration, he kept publishing offtopic information about third-party forex websites. This I marked as spam, along with any other derail attempt comments he left. I don8217t recall removing anything from Langenberg. She published the one comment and did a runner. Andreas : why cannot mariska langenberg and craig walters provide clarifications right here Yeah right If you block them the case is closed I guess, end of discussion for them. he had 31 chances and she had one and only chose to post a long winded scammer screed which is what they do instead of addressing the facts. they failed miserably. All they had to do is answer one simple question and provide proof. though i could not find hotforex registered with the mauritius FSC, it is registered with the cypriot SEC CySEC. hotforex was illegally providing accounts to US citizens, but was stopped from doing this in mid 2012. an email sent out by hotforex to US clients stated: Even though HotForex does not have any offices andor operations in the U. S. and does not engage in the solicitation of clients it was communicated to us that the CFTC does not allow us to offer our services on a cross-border basis to U. S. clients. Therefore, it is with great regret to inform you that HotForex will no longer be offering its services to new or existing U. S. clients it appears the FSC mauritius was twisting hotforex8217s arm: Any positions left open will be closed at the prevailing market price at that time and all pending orders will be deleted. Please note that the deadline may change if it is necessitated by our regulators, the Financial Services Commission in Mauritius. this implies hotforex WAS registered with the mauritius FSC in the past. but, it does not show up in the mauritius FSC registry anymore now its time for the CFTC to stop tallinex from illegally accepting US clients. There has been a lot of adverse comments here about 5 Star Signals, so to set the record straight I shall share some of my results. I8217ve not recruited or sponsored anyone, so I don8217t get an income from there. However the trades that have been placed have overall made a profit for my account 8211 1.83 yesterday. That8217s far better than many UK banks offer savers for a year, and so I8217m quite happy with the service I8217m getting. Yes some trades lose while others win. That8217s the nature of forex. The trick is ensuring your winnings are greater than the losses. 5SS is doing that well. Regards to comments about the brokers used being registered, I8217m based in the UK so the SEC isn8217t relevant to me. HF Markets is registered with the UK8217s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), and so I have the reassurance that all is above board. If you want to attack something that is an all-out scam, then go for the binary option robot sellers. They 8216give8217 people a free robot tool that has to link in with their chosen unregulated broker. The binary options they chose are a 5050 toss of a coin, and the 8216robots8217 have no risk management functions by and large. It8217s only a matter of time before your trading account has been drained, yet the people offering the scheme have been paid a commission by the broker. I8217m sufficiently clued up with trading to see that8217s not happening at 5SS For a matter of balance I shall post my results here week in, week out and let the readers judge for themselves whether this is a scam or not. Ive not recruited or sponsored anyone, so I dont get an income from there. However the trades that have been placed have overall made a profit for my account You dumped funds in 5SS or through them, on the expectation of a passive ROI. That8217s a security and 5SS are not registered with a securities regulatory anywhere in the world (AFAIK). Craig and Mariska havent gone silent. Theyre just not wasting their time on a bunch of losers. Dean Black (Craig Walters doesn8217t exist) and Mariska have both abandoned their Facebook accounts. Both were otherwise posting multiple times a week before the 5 Star Signals fraud was made public. I8217d be pretty ashamed too if I8217d launched an MLM company built on lies. MLM Broken Model SteveT seems like an honest type of guy. He even posts his real name and thus identifies himself for all to see. There can8217t be that many Steve T8217s in the world, right Could SteveT be Mariska or Dean No82308230say it ain8217t so I just checked and neither Dean nor Mariska has posted ANYTHING on their Facebook pages since they were BUSTED by Oz. The truth will set you free. Well, maybe not for some. Right, SteveT The Financial Services Authority (FSA) in St Vincent and the Grenadines is responsible for ensuring that Tallinex complies with its obligations under the IBC Act. The FSA enforces strict business practices equal to or exceeding requirements of financial services regulators in other countries. the svgfsa financial services authority of st vincent and grenadine has finally responded to my email, CONFIRMING that tallinex is NOT regulated for its Forex Trade. thus people trusting tallinex as their forex trader are Not Protected in any way, as no regulatory authority is keeping tabs on their forex business. Your email in relation to the captioned matter is acknowledged. Tallinex is a Registered International Business Company within the State of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. The FSA ensures that it complies with its necessary statutory obligations under the International Business Companies (Amendment and Consolidation) Act. Please be advised that the FSA does not regulate, monitor or supervise FOREX Trading. An IBC incorporated in SVG is authorised to engage in any business activity without additional approval from the FSA, except where its proposed business activity amounts to banking, insurance or mutual fund business, as these activities are licensed activities. The FSA has taken the position that until such time that appropriate legislation is put in place to address FOREX activities there is no prohibition against an IBC carrying out that activity. It is reiterated however that the FSA does not regulate FOREX Trading. Legal Officer (Ag) Financial Services Authority St. Vincent and the Grenadines Thank you MLM Broken Model. I am an honest type of guy8230 the T stands for Thomas by the way. What8217s your true name by the way As regards US law, which is where most of your securities arguments seem to originate, I8217m not governed by them so as I said before the SEC has no bearing on me at all. All I can see is that I have a forex trading account held with a regulated broker that8217s making a profit. Fine della storia. BTW, Mariska and DeanCraig are still very much active on FB. SteveT . BTW, Mariska and DeanCraig are still very much active on FB mariska langenberg is back on FB showing off about 5SS forex broker tallinex, which is Not regulated for forex trading anywhere in the world. deancraig is understandably still absent. who knows what avatar he will appear in right, steve T T for thomas it doesn8217t matter if T stands for thomas or tinkerbell, as long as your8217e not asking people to invest money based on your internet persona like deancraig. mariska langenberg is back on FB showing off about 5SS forex broker tallinex, which is Not regulated for forex trading anywhere in the world. i recd a second mail dt:5nov2015 from the svgfsa, further clarifying their position on tallinex forex traders, through which 5 star signals offers forex accounts to US citizens: I write further to your emails sent in October, 2015 and wish to advise that the company you stated, Tallinex Limited is an International Business Company (IBC) registered with the Financial Services Authority of St. Vincent and the Grenadines (FSA). Please be advised that an IBC is authorised to engage in any business activity without additional approval from the FSA, except where its proposed business activity amounts to banking, insurance or mutual fund business, as these activities are licensed FSA activities. Until such time that appropriate legislation is put in place to address forex activities, there is no prohibition against an IBC carrying out that activity or from so stating in its Articles of Incorporation. It is however advised that IBCs which do carry on this activity take the necessary steps to ensure that they obtain the required authorization from the jurisdictions wherein they actually conduct the forex activity. For example, both the USA and Canada require all forex companies who solicit business from citizens of those countries to be registered licensed in the USA or Canada respectively. Please be advised further that Tallinex Ltd which engaged in forex trading activities has been doing so at its own risk, or at the risk of the jurisdiction where it obtained authorization to conduct such business as it is not regulated by the FSA. This is essentially the Warning on the FSAs website, and I observe that you have included a part of same in your e-mail. The FSA will also post a warning singling out this IBC on its website soon. If there are any investors experiencing difficulties that you are aware please advise them to forward their complaint to the FSA with all the details of the nature of the problem so assistance can be given on this end. They are also advised to contact the relevant Authority overseas which licensed Tallinex Ltd to conduct forex business and report your complaint. so, the svgfsa will soon carry a warning specifically addressing tallinex. and, we know that tallinex is operating illegally, in at least the US and canada. i wonder how many countries allow IBC8217s registered in 8216st vincent and grenadines8217 to collect money from their citizens for high risk forex trading. Lascia un commento.